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floor · Mar 29, 2011, 02:38 PM // 14:38

So me and a friend of mine have been going around and using our contacts (mine pvp, his pve) and promoting the guru gvg tournament, primarily targeting newer players and trying to get ppl interested in the casual division.

What i have found is that there are in fact literally hundreds of people, who would like to play the event, but are not. The main reason seems to be that in many cases there are 1-2 players in a guild interested, but the others less so. Yet the official thread for players LF a team to play with, seems to have been largely ignored, with almost nobody showing an interest??

With the mentor programme running to help out teams who feel out of their depth, theres really no reason to miss out on the fun

so really my question is this, if you would like to play the event but are not going to, why not?

there is going to be plenty of people with real life reasons and such, but people who simply say "oh i cant leave my guild".... i mean you could always rejoin afterwards

if you dont feel like posting in public about this, feel free to send me a pm, i actually happen to know a few newer teams who are willing to take players with no previous experience.

Hi I'm Jecht · Mar 29, 2011, 02:51 PM // 14:51

From what I've seen, a lot of the people who want to GvG but won't are just shy, so they won't want to chat on vent. I see this a lot really.

Otherwise, likely lack of confidence to step up to the plate.

Jeydra · Mar 29, 2011, 03:04 PM // 15:04

I don't have a guild ...

I mean I do have a guild, but the guild's real rank is like 2k, so we don't have a ghost of a chance. And I haven't been able to find a new guild yet. Oh well

Missing HB · Mar 29, 2011, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Easy reasons : Either you're in a GvG guild ( and you're already doing AT's for months ) thus it's easy , either you're not . 2 cases then :
- PvE guild : noone wants to GvG because they prefer getting titles or doing DoA ( that's what my guild answered)
- inactive/HA PvP guild : they'd rather play HA than GvG. And they would usually leave if we lose....

My personal reason is that i'd rather do it with 7 henchs/heroes that bothering with HA'ers ( don't have much left since i'm not playing GvG a lot) but i can't...

Xenomortis · Mar 29, 2011, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Part of it could be that just a lot of people are unsure of how to start and are not confident in starting out with a team of people that have no idea what to do or even where to start. I myself am somewhat interested but not sure I have the time.

Killed u man · Mar 29, 2011, 03:28 PM // 15:28

Alot of people feel they don't stand a chance. Years of smurf farming on ladder is partially a reason for this, as many people believe the competition is way more fierce than it is in reality.

Then there's also the fact that there generally isn't any interest in GvG; with all respect to the people ogagnizing the GvG sunday afternoons, there is barely any crowd interested, which has several reasons.

The in-game reward for GvG needed to be improved a long time ago, and not to some useless extra zkeys or whatever, but cool shit for your Guild Hall that actually serves a purpose. (A cheap lockpick seller similar to owning an outpost for example) To achieve these NPC's (or services), guild's need to win xx GvG's; so even bottom ladder guilds and complete PvE guilds will get it eventually. Anyways, some big tournament now isn't going to change anything, you can't expect it too.

If you're going to start anywhere (in getting more people into GvG), start with the very start, and that is creating a general interest for everyone (So PvE rewards which can't be gotten any other way) so that you atleast have a base-community to start from.

deluxe · Mar 29, 2011, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Inactivity is a pretty big problem in most guilds, when I look at our roster noone is online anymore.
We want to play the tourney, and we probably will get our act together, but we'll be pretty rusty

floor · Mar 29, 2011, 03:49 PM // 15:49

well, everyone is of course entitled to their opinion on the current state of the playerbase, or smurfing or in game rewards but its not really what i intended the thread for. There are lots of people, right now, who want to get into gvg. Yet the fact remains that there are plenty of people out there in a similar situation to xenomortis who posted above, that are interested in playing but not sure how to go about it. Adding extra incentives to play may cause more interest, but we are still stuck in the same situation where ppl need the oppurtunity to get started.

Seeing as there was a thread made specifically for people in this position in order to help them out, i find it a shame that very very few people were willing to give it a shot. Really this tournament and the other work that people such as lemming are putting in with the gvg workshops, along with the support from the experienced gvg playerbase, this has been a golden oppurtunity to get started, but it seems many people have chosen to purposely miss the boat.

Over the last few months, a lot of experienced players have tried fairly hard to promote gvg, offer help and guidance where possible, i wouldnt say its been ignored, but i think its fair to say that it has been largely met with a nervousness about making that first step into gvg.

From my own personal experience, i met a guy around 6-8 months ago quite randomly, he had never gvg'd in his life, we got chatting and hes a cool guy so i took him along to a few low rank gvg's and he loved it. a few months down the line he is actually a very decent prot monk playing at a rank 200-300 level. If people want to learn, the help and guidance to get going is available, you just might need to ask for directions to find it

Killed u man · Mar 29, 2011, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Well no, xeno clearly said his problem was the fact that he doesn't know he has the time to do it, which is a valid reason not to GvG.

There is enough accomodation for new people to go. Look at GvG section, I think there's atleast 5 guilds at any given time which need players, even inexperienced newly formed guilds, on QQ forums.

As I said, for alot of people, the illusion exists you have to be "incredibly good" to become succesfull at GvG'ing, that's assuming they even want to get into GvG'ing: What you call some interest in the past few months, I call no interest. Happy Feet, etc.. offcourse did a good job in hosting it, but you can't really call it a huge succes.

This late in GW's life, you simply can not expect people to join by masses just because you say "GvG is fun". The incentive needs to be there, which with the current PvE crowd (Which is the target community) means some kind of "cool" reward, maybe even a special mention in GW 2 (GvG player or whatever), but simply a nice PvE feature would be nice.

If people really wanted to get into GvG, they can. Altough a GvG PuG- outpost would be a great help, the accessability is already there (mainly through QQ forums).

Aside from the previous mentioned reason (no incentive), people also think GvG is "too hard" which results in people asking the question: "Is it even worth leaving my current guild in order to join a GvG guild which will loose 24/7 and probably disband after a week" rather than: "Is it worth getting into GvG".

When you're a PvE guild who spend the last 3 months gathering enough people to GvG, and you finally go into your first match, and you see you're getting rolled by a R1000 guild over and over again, it's not really going help the cause. And in most cases, these guilds don't even know they're facing top 50 guilds in a smurf, so they assume the level of competition is already so fierce at 1000 rating. (Which offcourse competely shatters their assumption they could ever compete in top 100-200)

Look at it from a PvE'ers point who view who doesn't know anything about GvG. They simply don't know what hit them...

Pugs Not Drugs · Mar 29, 2011, 04:23 PM // 16:23

where is the sign up forum? i wanna participate, but my guild is pve mostly and is not interested, so id liek to put together a group for the casual division

Xenomortis · Mar 29, 2011, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Well no, xeno clearly said his problem was the fact that he doesn't know he has the time to do it, which is a valid reason not to GvG.

That's only part of the reason why I haven't put my name forward in the thread floor mentioned (which I've actually just done, but its activity isn't promising).
The first statement in my post was more general but does apply to me.

Incidentally, part of that thread's problem may be its location, how many people completely new in GvG are going to be really interested in a section titled "GvG Championship Series"?

Squishy ftw · Mar 29, 2011, 04:27 PM // 16:27

I'd love to GvG...but don't want to leave my PvE guild (a few days would be fine, I guess)...and who would take on a random PvE scrub they don't know..when he doesn't even want to leave his PvE guild for it.

Xenomortis · Mar 29, 2011, 04:29 PM // 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squishy ftw

I'd love to GvG...but don't want to leave my PvE guild...and who would take on a random PvE scrub they don't know..when he doesn't even want to leave his PvE guild for it.

You can leave and rejoin later.

floor · Mar 29, 2011, 04:30 PM // 16:30

tbh borat im not sure i agree with you completely. People always say that the only opponents you face are smurfs so much, that everyone now believes it. I'd say probably at least 2-3 days a week i am guesting for novice guilds with sub 1000 rating, and i'd also say that probably 50% of our opponents also have below 1000 rating (and are not smurfs). Of course this applies mostly to prime time euro hours (sorry america) but the lower end of the gvg spectrum is not as dead, or as loaded with smurfs as many people believe it is. (gvg quest day is an exception to this, when it is ONLY smurf guilds)

Xenomortis · Mar 29, 2011, 04:38 PM // 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by floor

tbh borat im not sure i agree with you completely. People always say that the only opponents you face are smurfs so much, that everyone now believes it. I'd say probably at least 2-3 days a week i am guesting for novice guilds with sub 1000 rating, and i'd also say that probably 50% of our opponents also have below 1000 rating (and are not smurfs). Of course this applies mostly to prime time euro hours (sorry america) but the lower end of the gvg spectrum is not as dead, or as loaded with smurfs as many people believe it is. (gvg quest day is an exception to this, when it is ONLY smurf guilds)

A week ago my guildies gave GvG a try. We came across one group of good players who were clearly smurfing on a low level guild (but it's hardly a secret when you see [rawr] and [Cake] with matching trims).
I can't see it being anywhere near as extreme as it's been made out to be.

Coast · Mar 29, 2011, 04:51 PM // 16:51

Because everyone runs all this trash(pcreep+gvg changes) making gvg even worse than it alrdy is.
From top 10 to the lowest end gvg guilds.
No wonder why most people don't want to play it.

I Jonas I · Mar 29, 2011, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squishy ftw

I'd love to GvG...but don't want to leave my PvE guild (a few days would be fine, I guess)...and who would take on a random PvE scrub they don't know..when he doesn't even want to leave his PvE guild for it.

So get 7 of your other PvE friends and give it a shot =)

I'd be willing to play with some people, if anyone needs a ~r100 to 200 american ranger or an ele you can PM me on here and I'll probably be glad to play with you

Killed u man · Mar 29, 2011, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by floor

tbh borat im not sure i agree with you completely. People always say that the only opponents you face are smurfs so much, that everyone now believes it. I'd say probably at least 2-3 days a week i am guesting for novice guilds with sub 1000 rating, and i'd also say that probably 50% of our opponents also have below 1000 rating (and are not smurfs). Of course this applies mostly to prime time euro hours (sorry america) but the lower end of the gvg spectrum is not as dead, or as loaded with smurfs as many people believe it is. (gvg quest day is an exception to this, when it is ONLY smurf guilds)

Well, after reading my own post again, it's definatly not as terrible as I make it out to be. Nontheless, if you're going to GvG, you will run into atleast 1 smurf every day, which is enough for people to hook off.

I GvG'ed in a newly formed guild about 2 weeks ago, and out of the 7-8 guilds we faced, 3 of them were smurfs with several gold cape players in each. The other guilds were simply R100-300 guilds as there was noone else playing.

Even tough we ran Invoke and won most, the fact of the matter is that when you play GvG, less than 50% of your matches will actually be against players of your current skill level, which offcourse completely destroys influx in a vicious circle.

Increasing the amount of new players willing to GvG (aka give "awesome" rewards for GvG'ing) aswell as a little effort from the GvG community (Which is definatly there) should jumpstart GvG in no time. But as long as Anet refuses to fix one of the core issues, no matter how many tournaments you organize, people won't join as there is no reason to.

xhappy feetx · Mar 29, 2011, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by Pugs Not Drugs

where is the sign up forum? i wanna participate, but my guild is pve mostly and is not interested, so id liek to put together a group for the casual division

Sign up here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/gvg/registration.php

**cosyfiep** · Mar 29, 2011, 08:09 PM // 20:09

why?
I have never done pvp (fa and jq aside), I wont leave my guild (have been in it for 5+ years--its my hubby's), and my guild is just me and hubby (he has no time for it really---RL 2 jobs).
rank??? we have nothing of the sort--none of us has ever done any kind of pvp (ok, waaaay back we did some of the really low end areas--the ones that are gone now).
no idea even where to start.

and the top reason
RL--just dont have the time to commit to it.

edit:
oh yeah--no vent, mumble etc either .....